for those who have been on the market in past years, how does this compare to the number of job offerings at this point in the fall? it looks a bit lean to me but I don't have much perspective. also, should we be expecting many more postings over the next month or is this about 'it' for this year?
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It looks a bit lean to me, too, but better than the past two years. There should be some more postings in October, then they'll appear at a low rate thereafter.
I'm up to 50 possible positions on my spreadsheet, but I have multiple areas and am not being super picky right now (i.e., trying R1 + smaller schools…no SLAC though). I keep checking every single day and I've been noticing consistent postings on all the sites. There are A LOT that are not making it onto the Wiki though.
This will be my third time on the job market and it definitely feels like there are fewer openings this year. I have a list of about 12 schools right now, and probably only half are actually relevant to my area of research. Starting to get a little worried…
It's my third time on the market and I'm also getting a bit worried. I've applied to 14 schools but I would like that number to double (at least).
looks really lean to me… and I think the market is FLOODED with high quality applicants. Feeling rather pessimistic.
For those that are repeating this year: Are you being really selective? Or have been in the past?
I'm just curious as I have friends who were successful in obtaining non-R1 jobs in the last couple years. I can't help but think all the doom and gloom is surrounding R1 schools.
I originally went on the market 4 years ago. My current position is not an ideal fit and went on the market again last year - only looking to go to R1 schools. Nothing panned out and this year I am on the market again. I opened my search up a bit more - willing to move to R2-type schools if the location is good and nationally ranked SLACs. I just checked my spreadsheet from last year and I had 10 jobs last year and 22 this year, so it definitely looks picked up some - but not as much as when I was originally on the market. That year I applied for 55 jobs.
Cognitive postings look particularly slim.
As a cognitive person, I have to say that the low number of new postings (on APA and APS) to start the month is very disappointing… I was really hoping there would be a lot more.
So…a month after this original discussion, how are we feeling about the number of jobs out there this year?
It looks better than last year but not as good as a few years ago. There seem to be a lot of postings, but not a lot of really great postings, except maybe in social.
There is a decent number of postings but I wish there were more. I agree there are not many great postings.
There do seem to be a lot of postings in social but some schools are reporting 240 applications received per position. Even with as many postings as there are out there, the pool is flooded with too-many well-qualified candidates. I'm applying to 30ish places. Ff 240 holds true for many places, I have a one in eight shot of getting a job. Not what I'd call good odds.
The 240 applications… is that what you have been hearing for social positions? Any idea for clinical positions?
Curious what that number is for developmental positions.
I feel like there are quite a bit of jobs out there, but they are not great jobs. Lots of smaller mid-range schools.
To be fair, it's just what I heard for one school. So make cautious conclusions. No idea about clinical.
I heard 100 at a school that had an ad for an open position…this was a mid-range school though with an early deadline.
Well, I guess that's it. I read somewhere online that some thought there might be more spring job ads than usual, but I haven't seen much for the past 6 weeks.
Any thoughts from anyone else about late positions getting posted?
It's just a guess based on watching the market for a few years, but I don't think there will be any more, at least not SLACs or research schools. There will probably be international and clinical positions, and maybe some smaller teaching schools.
VAPs at SLACs, and teaching-oriented jobs are still coming out on Higheredjobs…just depends on what level of institution you're looking for. There might be some more trickling through March.
Its slowing way down, but if my dept is any indication, its not totally over. Since December, we got the ok to do TWO searches, and are trying to scramble to get people for next year. You never know!
I want to echo dooodeedoooo's post - I was pretty discouraged by the lack of movement in December and January, but I have been contacted for interviews by three schools in the past 2 weeks - including one in which the wiki had said campus interviews had taken place in December.
Keep your spirits up - and keep publishing! That's going to help you more than obsessing over the wiki!
IT IS NOT OVER.
My story is that my own job search (after 2 grueling post-docs) during 2008-2009 was going badly after the stock-market bomb and imploding job opportunities of the great recession. I was contacted for job interviews that never materialized as jobs were withdrawn as University endowments evaporated! I was extremely frustrated, to put it mildly. This was finally my turn and …. ! And I have a family of four to support. Eventually, I reasoned about my best course of action and expanded my job search to include federal science position and am happy to report that everything turned out great! I do both basic and applied research at a federal laboratory, have great colleagues, and work with top academics and enterprising scientists and engineers from industry. I publish regularly, don't have to chase funding, and just have to put up with some hassels of bureaucracy (don't fret, really not a big deal at all…). So do yourselves a favor and consider working for the federal government. As JFK inspirationally put it "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". I must say, it feels right and we do need talented scientists. For the time being, our gov't is hiring and it is a nice, colleagial atmosphere of respected professionals. When I started, I wasn't sure what to expect. Surprisingly, my career is very open ended….
Do yourselves a favor and check out the following website:
which is a clearinghouse for ALL federal jobs. Note that new jobs are CONTINUALLY posted on the site. Some are up for just two weeks, so one needs to be prepared accordingly. Another bit of advice is that sometimes a computer algorithm is used to "score" or match a given individual to the job qualifications — the output is a ranked list of qualified applicants. Thus, I urge you to be thorough and specific in your accomplishments. Being a government scientist is a wonderful career with tremendous potential for those of whom are ambitious, collaborate well, and work hard — with the opportunity to advance the greater good. The pay is great (especially since it is locality adjusted) and the career is stable (less anxiety over funding & tenure & teaching) with a preiminent focus on research and service.
The usajobs website does have a useful tool for keeping your job search on target. A jobs bot will send you emails when new jobs are posted that match specific keywords. I used the conjunction of several targeted keywords such as "cognitive" and "statistics" etc. to great effect.
Good luck with your job searches!
I am interested in a research scientist position with the government but am not sure about what kinds of keywords to use. I am a social PHD interested in doing research on social or political outcomes. Any suggestions for which keywords to use?
How about these keywords: "try" "it" "on" "your" and "own."
Curious, are you one of my undergrads?
Curious, that is not a stupid question at all. I went to the USA website too, and the typical keyword searches that I use on other websites were not useful at all (i.e., returned 100s of the wrong types of results). I ended up looking by the institute. So for example, I searched for jobs with the NICHD and that was much more manageable. However, I didn't find any good fits for my training so maybe I was missing some important possible matches that I didn't think of. "My story", how did you find your current position?
This is the last place on earth I would expect to find a nasty, mean-spirited post. Many folks are here because they are freaking out and wondering how they will feed their families if they don't find a freaking job. Think you can cut 'em a little slack?? Go be nasty somewhere else.
Look for "research psychologist". There are two very good basic research positions that are currently open for the Aberdeen Proving Ground (Upper Chesapeake Bay, between Baltimore and Philadelphia). Historial note, APG is where the world's first computer, ENIAC, was built and used to compute artillery firing tables…
Get a move on it! I think both of these positions close tomorrow and both pertain heavily to social psychology and the Army Research Institute's core research focus on metrics of team performance, etc. (one is $80K, the other more senior at up to $136K)
Thank you for the suggestions and support.
It's actually not obvious what keywords to use in the usajobs.gov as most positions relevant to psychologists are in the clinical field. I was more interested in trying to find a position which involves doing research on social/political issues.
My story, in your experience, can people who are straight out of graduate schools get these kinds of positions? The non-NSF and non-NIH positions within other govt institutes?
The short answer to your question is that the gov't hires at all grade-levels of expertise.
For instance, tthe government also hires 'research technicians' to support the PhD level researchers. These research technicians (bachelors or masters degree) have tremendous opportunity because the gov't will support them when they pursue further education and training (will pay stipend when you attend a PhD program). Those straight out of undergraduate should take a look at the SMART scholars program.
As a gov't scientist, senior level management offers great support to my developmental goals (seminars, workshops, etc.).
Hope this helps. Good luck out there!
I have seen some research psychologist positions on usajobs.gov. You may want to use that as a key word.