I've been on the wiki for awhile, and I've always read that it's next to impossible to move from a small liberal arts to a R1. I was wondering if this is always true, and whether anyone had any actual examples of this happening (of course, you don't have to list names). If you have examples, please explain what area they were in, did they have any grants, and what school did they come from and where did they move. I was speaking to a previous adviser of mine, and she swore that it was possible but the examples she gave me were moves that happened 15+ years ago.
Date: 12 Apr 2014 18:47
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I am not sure this is completely an upward move. I am currently at a master level place that teaches 3/3 and will be starting a new position at a doctoral granting institution (not research university).
Moved from a Masters level institution (3/3, no TAs, no funds for start-up) to an R2 (2/2, TAs, start-up) with a doctoral program last year. Social/personality. Had a grant close to 100K, but brought only 10K with me.
Thanks, everyone! I hope more would comment.
I also wanted to point out that "upward move" is in the eyes of the beholder, so the term is very flexible.
Ditto what Doc J said. I would also point out that there are many prominent social psychologists STILL AT liberal arts colleges, e.g., Saul Kassin, Sheldon Solomon, Thane Pittman, Peter Glick. One does not have to "move up" to be productive and influential; a really good liberal arts college will have a 2/2 or 2/3 teaching load, excellent students, and substantial support/expectations for research (unless, perhaps, you do imaging).
I would add to anon2's point that many of these individuals maintain collaborations with individuals at larger institutions with access to a wider pool of participants and greater support for grant writing and grant administration.
Thanks, all. That's why I said "moving up" is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm not suggesting that you must "move up." I'm mostly just thinking long-term, and about myself who knows that a 4-4 or 3-3 teaching load will be too much for me. I know that I am more effective as a teacher with less courses.
If, by all means, someone is happy where they are, I can understand, because the goal is ultimately the same - to be happy. I'm looking forward to reading more thoughts.